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University of Washington (Seattle)
Posted: 14 January 2010 11:36 AM  
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Joined  2010-01-14

As always these are my views. You may agree or not. Just here to provide one opinion

Summary:
2 day experience. First day is tours of University of Washington Hospital and Childrens (really nice!)
plus dinner with the residents. We ate at a very nice sushi place. Second day is all interviews.

Executive Summary of What I will describe in more detail for thsoe with ADD:
Overall I was truely blown away by “UW” as they call it up in the Pacific Northwest. Dr. Ellenbogen was a gentleman and the residents seems academically oreinted, busy, but happy. I would think this isn’t a program for everyone though, as you must to like (or be able to tolerate) trauma and like open-vascular as this is the lions-share of what is seen during the residency program.

Pros-
Very busy services at all 3 hospitals but Harborview hospital seems to be the epicenter of this residency program
Their census was “only 60” at the time of my interview and it was a good experience to see them round in the morning
on that many patients so quickly (although it was super early after a late night!)

One year of research and one year in England. Dr. Ellenbogen seemed very flexible to allow you to pursue your research interests, be that at the bench (a few MD PhD in the program) or more clinically oriented research.  I spoke with one resident that is gettin an MPH during the research year instead of formal bench research.

England year (couldn’t figure if you went when you were a PGY4 or PGY 5...but it was one of those years) seemed to beloved by all the residents, although it is not a requirement. Some residents do a sort of “infolded fellowship” type thing instead of England. However most go to England and the 3 or 4 I spoke to about it had high praise and the junior resients I spoke to about it were looking forward to it. Seems to be “bread and butter” neurosurgery cases over there (Spine, periph nerve, trauma, some tumor, some aneursym clipping, shunts) but you do it all by yourself with minimal supervision

Seattle seems like a really fun city, especially if youre into hiking/fishing (or shopping). It did not ran much when
I was there but one of my classmates who went just recently said it was pouring the whole time. Beautiful when i was
there though. Water everywhere if your into sailing or water sports. Godo food scene I am told.

Residents seemed really outgoing and personable. Seemed close to each other. Spoke extensivly with a few junior residents and a couple of senior residents. They would all “do it again” if they had to go back (a favorite question of mine).

Huge vascular, skull base and trauma volume, something like 25% of the USA land mass (or 10million people-ish) are
refered here for level I tramua. Tumor and epilespy (they do awake carniotomy fairly often) seems fairly large too.

Just implemented an endovascular rotation of PGY4s (yes, all residents do endovascular!) that deals with both endovascualrly trained neruosurgeons as well as the IR folks

Neutral
7yrs instead of the old 8 (dropepd a research year)
Seemed to allude to a publication requirement although this was not confirmed by everyone
Not a lot of functional or Gammaknife; moderate spine (combined ortho/neurosurg spine team)
3 hospitals requires a far amount of driving. All are within 5miles of each other though.
Expected to go into academics after graduation (told this point blank during 3 ov my interviews)
Cheifs, I am told, can operate extremely well in OR. However all cheifs are encouraged to pursue fellowships to make them more competitive in academic jobs

Cons
Trauma (if you don’t like it)
Junior year at Harborview is refered to as the most difficult year by most (work-hour wise)
Despite having Dr. Sekhar it doesn’t seem like there is a formal skull base lab teaching session. A few reidents told me that there was a skull base lab but it wasn’t shown on the tour.

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Posted: 14 January 2010 01:04 PM  
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Joined  2009-06-15

Just a couple notes to clarify/reinforce (just got back from there):

Harborview definitely the lion’s share of the residents clinical experience. You spend a total of 16 months there as a PGY2 and 3, in 4 month blocks, where there are 2 teams (Vascular, Trauma/Spine). Call there is q4-5, home call at the University Medical Center and Children’s Hospital. Not uncommon to have 100 pts on the HMC (Harborview) list - since it is trauma heavy, there is rapid turnover.

The England experience happens either beginning or middle of PGY4 or PGY5 year. Since the program is currently 2-3-2, the residents’ schedules are staggered. Currently, one resident had just returned from UK in December, and another resident had just left at the beginning of January. The only *required* rotation prior to the UK experience is your 4 months as the Children’s junior resident, as part of your experience in London will be handling shunts.

There is a 2 pubs/yr requirement. Lots of research opps - clinical (big trauma/TBI database), multiple basic science faculty, MPH, one of the residents is working at the Gates Foundation.

I was definitely impressed with the intelligence and happiness of the residents. They seem to like what they are doing and where they are doing it.

As far as the interviews - 20 min interviews all morning with both clinical and research faculty. Mostly 2 on 1, though you meet individually with Dr. Ellenbogen. Very collegial. No real surprises - typical questions. Dr. Sekhar may ask about memorable case and then follow with some pimping.

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Posted: 20 January 2010 09:15 PM  
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Joined  2010-01-20

I just got back from there too.  Really think the above review is spot on. Amazing program. A+ indeed. I am interested in epilepsy and awake cranis so I think this may be the place for me (Ojemann and his legacy). One of the cheifs just got a fellowship at UCSF in epilespy so obvisouly well thought of and sets u up for an academic future. The vascular/skull base on top of this would just be gravy.

Its tough with so many great west coast programs. Harborview and the England yr may give it the slight edge. Plus the residents sems more “normal” and funny than some of thr other amazing programs out there.

Anyone else struggling with their top 2 or 3 too????

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Posted: 21 January 2010 10:24 AM  
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Joined  2009-12-31

i believe they are taking 3 this year

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Posted: 21 January 2010 07:34 PM  
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Joined  2010-01-20

i meant I can’t decided what program to put in my top 2 or 3 (I have 4 or 5 that I love). I know Seattle is taking 3 ppl this year.

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Posted: 06 March 2010 08:47 PM  
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Joined  2009-01-16

For what its worth, I know an R2 at UW Seattle who apparently will have between 200-300 cases this year.  Pretty impressive and goes along with the axiom of operate early and often.

Good luck to everyone in the match!!

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