Anonymous User - 13 February 2008 06:33 PM

you didn’t tell us how old you are? 45? who gives a shit if you match as an FMG or IMG when you are 45? Does anyone care? NO. You take anyone out there with a step 1 score of 190—if they try for 15 years, I am sure by the 16th year someone will let them in. But answer this—when you graduate from your residency and you are 45, how many good years do you have ahead of you?

Hey guess what, you are a jerk off. At least the OP acts maturely

this is what wrong with all of us always fighting one another instead of supporting. this is destroying our fields and our wallets.

190 is way too low, really low.
NS is hard and demanding and spots should be given to people who deserve them. 190 does not deserve a spot.

Anonymous User - 19 February 2008 12:32 PM

190 is way too low, really low.
NS is hard and demanding and spots should be given to people who deserve them. 190 does not deserve a spot.

You do not deserve a spot in the human race.

Dr. Kline is retiring this year for good. I agree age shouldn’t stop you but precious NS positions should not be taken away from applicants with good grades and scores. It is a meritocracy. Get the grades - get the job.

Anonymous User - 19 February 2008 12:37 PM

Anonymous User - 19 February 2008 12:32 PM

190 is way too low, really low.
NS is hard and demanding and spots should be given to people who deserve them. 190 does not deserve a spot.

You do not deserve a spot in the human race.

A little bit of an over-reaction wouldn’t you say. NS was not built on people who believe P=MD. Unless there is a reason for a poor score, sickness etc., that spot should be given to someone who did what was required to get it - good grades and good scores.
Want to do research and think it will cover for bad grades and scores, go ahead and go to grad school. I’m not in the monkey lab business

In addition, if you want NS jobs to pay well and be there when you get out then there should be a limit to FMGs. I am an american graduate. I have contributed to the american education system. It isn’t fair to deny people who go to med school here (whether they are american or not) residency positions. Preference is and should be given the people who go to medical school in the USA.

Anonymous User - 19 February 2008 12:42 PM

Anonymous User - 19 February 2008 12:37 PM

Anonymous User - 19 February 2008 12:32 PM

190 is way too low, really low.
NS is hard and demanding and spots should be given to people who deserve them. 190 does not deserve a spot.

You do not deserve a spot in the human race.

A little bit of an over-reaction wouldn’t you say.

Nope.  Someone who says “190 does not deserve a spot” is too mush brained to function in society.  Sorry to disappoint you.

if you think that then petition that the test should be pass/fail. until then you have to learn the material. there are no shortcuts to knowing medicine.

I can’t believe that people 210s scores are getting in, while plenty of applicants with 240s - 250s on step 1 and 2 and publicantions remained unmatched. The field should be ashamed of themselves. This is not ortho where they remove half of your brain when you start residency. You still have to know your physiology for managing your own SICU patients. I guess you need to learn to get your nose really brown to match in this field, it is really not based on your qualifications anymore. I am very surprised by the statistics this year, very surprised.

Board scores are not the most important measure of a candidate for neurosurgical residency.

Anonymous User - 19 February 2008 05:43 PM

if you think that then petition that the test should be pass/fail. until then you have to learn the material. there are no shortcuts to knowing medicine.

You seem to be completely out of touch with the conversation you are attempting to participate in.  The validity of step one scores has nothing at all to do with some idiot making a blanket statement about what an entire population of test takers “deserves.”

While someone with a 190 is very likely not qualified for neurosurgery, someone who makes blanket statements is not deserving of anything at all.

Anonymous User - 20 February 2008 01:15 AM

Anonymous User - 19 February 2008 05:43 PM

if you think that then petition that the test should be pass/fail. until then you have to learn the material. there are no shortcuts to knowing medicine.

You seem to be completely out of touch with the conversation you are attempting to participate in.  The validity of step one scores has nothing at all to do with some idiot making a blanket statement about what an entire population of test takers “deserves.”

While someone with a 190 is very likely not qualified for neurosurgery, someone who makes blanket statements is not deserving of anything at all.

you are an idiot. there are the exceptions, people who score poorly due to various reasons but are still excellent, however, the boards and grades are not only a reflection of what you know, but what you are capable of. If someone has poor grades and barely passing board scores (which 190 is by the way) that tells me they are less capable for the moment than someone with a 240. Like I said, if you don’t like the system then leave. Only about 170 NS spots, how would you feel if you got bumped for some crappy student because of some Kumbaya feel good mentality. It takes good scores, grades, hard work and a good personality. You can only make allowances for deficiencies in one of these up to a limit.

Anonymous User - 19 February 2008 06:27 PM

I can’t believe that people 210s scores are getting in, while plenty of applicants with 240s - 250s on step 1 and 2 and publicantions remained unmatched. The field should be ashamed of themselves. This is not ortho where they remove half of your brain when you start residency. You still have to know your physiology for managing your own SICU patients. I guess you need to learn to get your nose really brown to match in this field, it is really not based on your qualifications anymore. I am very surprised by the statistics this year, very surprised.

Amen to you. I wrote the 190 comment. I can’t beliebe someone is out here to protect the rights of the 2 standard deviations below the mean students. For Neurosurgery! Incredible.

Anonymous User - 20 February 2008 11:27 AM

Anonymous User - 20 February 2008 01:15 AM

Anonymous User - 19 February 2008 05:43 PM

if you think that then petition that the test should be pass/fail. until then you have to learn the material. there are no shortcuts to knowing medicine.

You seem to be completely out of touch with the conversation you are attempting to participate in.  The validity of step one scores has nothing at all to do with some idiot making a blanket statement about what an entire population of test takers “deserves.”

While someone with a 190 is very likely not qualified for neurosurgery, someone who makes blanket statements is not deserving of anything at all.

you are an idiot. there are the exceptions, people who score poorly due to various reasons but are still excellent, however, the boards and grades are not only a reflection of what you know, but what you are capable of. If someone has poor grades and barely passing board scores (which 190 is by the way) that tells me they are less capable for the moment than someone with a 240. Like I said, if you don’t like the system then leave. Only about 170 NS spots, how would you feel if you got bumped for some crappy student because of some Kumbaya feel good mentality. It takes good scores, grades, hard work and a good personality. You can only make allowances for deficiencies in one of these up to a limit.

And you still dont get it…
No one is defending those who score 190 on step 1.  An objective statement of your worth as a human being was made...this had nothing to do with whether or not a 190 should match.  In fact, in the statement you quoted it clearly states that 190 is rarely qualified.  Unfortunately, as highlighted in your own statement, you are not qualified for neurosurgery either.  In fact, you are not deserving of anything.  That is all.  Pick up a coloring book, that seems to be your level of reading comprehension.